tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post7615528407233071571..comments2023-06-17T19:20:56.162+08:00Comments on Mind Necessity ~~~ 心 空 海 嶽: 不依遊戲規則的旅客The Inner Spacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05847812875672255518noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-53341268440715111192010-08-08T21:47:37.340+08:002010-08-08T21:47:37.340+08:00hari big brother, actually what exile said about c...hari big brother, actually what exile said about casino etc etc reminded me when I were in Toronto, San Francisco, New York, and Los Angeles, there were ads about free bus transportation to and from casinos,plus small amount of chips. <br /><br />However, for shopping tours I don't know if the tour pricing is significant lower than the COST. <br /><br />Please, tell me more about these at your end. Highly appreciated, and thank you in advance.the inner spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-56583481283508579322010-08-08T13:55:46.680+08:002010-08-08T13:55:46.680+08:00The local casino used to provide free transportati...The local casino used to provide free transportation from/to Chinatown and give each passenger $5 to entice them to gamble.<br /><br />They soon find that most ppl would take the free trip, enjoy the air-conditioned casino environment, and pocket the $5.<br /><br />Technically, the free-riders did nothing wrong. But the casino was not amused and soon changed their policy.Haricot 微豆https://www.blogger.com/profile/13735177985545566818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-79433076394930264132010-08-08T10:00:57.740+08:002010-08-08T10:00:57.740+08:00Exile, Welcome Back!
As I have mentioned in the bl...Exile, Welcome Back!<br />As I have mentioned in the blog body above. It was similar to what you have described about casino tours.<br /><br />『在購物團中,當然有真的要在香港購物的旅客,他們依據遊戲規則在香港購物,但付出較低團費,有時這些旅客甚至超額購物,若整個團都是這些超額購物的旅客,旅行團及導遊真的賺到笑。<br /><br /><br />但在一個購物團內,”依據遊戲規則購物的旅客“和”不依據遊戲規則購物的旅客“的比例,有幾多呢?出發前是無人知道的。若前者較多,便可以抵消後者的差額,反之後者較多,導遊就要賠本了,香港被這些旅客佔了便宜,即是香港也賠了本。』<br /><br /><br />So it was quite fair for me to say that the chinese learnt from the west. <br /><br />My past travelling trips were all alone by myself 自由行, except China Tours. I was obliged to joint group tours for safety sake and I have faced similar experiences like yours.<br /><br />阿珍姐‘s case was just a tip of the iceberg above sea level. I don't see the Chinese Govt, HK Govt, and the industry players have the determination to introduce any fundermental corrective action/ regulations. 祇是想不了了之,漸漸淡忘 and continuation of the existing is what they all they wanting. <br /><br />物必自腐而後蟲生!the inner spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-34576526746712119592010-08-07T02:25:14.111+08:002010-08-07T02:25:14.111+08:00I don't have any experience with mainland tour...I don't have any experience with mainland tours but I joint a HK tour to Taiwan in 2005. We weren't forced to buy anything but the tour guide was clearly very happy when we did. Thank goodness that most of the tour members bought lots of stuff because I didn't. <br /><br />Overall, I do not like escorted tour in Asia. The price is very good but they short change you in other areas. I was still hungry after the so-called "dim sum lunch" at a famous dumpling restaurant, HAHA... I would rather know exactly what I am paying for ahead of time. <br /><br />This type of business model has worked in the U.S. I know there are free bus tour to casinos. A lot of senior citizens have taken advantage of that. These casinos <br />aren't stupid. They figure if 5 out of 10 people gamble, eat and buy alcohol, the profit will be more than enough to make up for the other 5 freeloaders. Most cruises are also run base on the same assumption. They assume more passengers will spend extra on the cruiseship than the ones who don't. <br /><br />I think what happened in HK this time was a wake up call to these tour guides. Don't work for free. I do feel sorry for <br />阿珍.exilenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-25111695976681051572010-08-06T20:03:28.803+08:002010-08-06T20:03:28.803+08:00很多謝新鮮兄的回應!
哪哪哪!咁就是我常常講的:“愈辯愈明白喇”,我們找到了個中的癥結囉,點解香港旅...很多謝新鮮兄的回應!<br />哪哪哪!咁就是我常常講的:“愈辯愈明白喇”,我們找到了個中的癥結囉,點解香港旅遊業有咁多短處壞處呢?爛到咁嘅樣,唉!咪就是應為有“回佣”嘞!<br /><br />本來香港廉政公署《防止賄賂條例》第9條,涉及收受非法回佣。收受“回佣”在一般行業有,可能觸犯廉政條例,很有可能要坐監的。<br /><br />但在導遊業,卻是公開的不成文地,以收受回佣,作為導遊的基本收入,因為絕大部份導遊是沒有底薪的。為何沒有底薪呢?因為入境旅行團公司,都知道畀底薪祇是回佣的幾個巴仙,導遊都 don't care!<br /><br />兼且因為大多的導遊是自僱的,那就把《防止賄賂條例》第9條,涉及收受非法回佣,轉個彎,就合法化了,因為僱主僱員都是導遊自己,僱主同意僱員收回佣,連廉政公署都冇佢符!<br /><br />外國的商人和導遊,衣帶關係,利用回佣,速進買賣。但一到中國人的地方,就成為有“中國特式的”回佣,把外國固有的平衡點,弄的切底傾斜,弄到如斯田地!<br /><br />阿珍姐,也是在這個不成文的潛規則之中,找生活啫,相信不是阿珍姐自己首創的罷。這是是多年來官方和旅遊業界的大春秋們,明明是有觸犯廉政條例,卻暗中讓其合法化。<br /><br />兼且有回佣的商戶,多回佣的商戶,就有生意,這有違公平競爭,可惜香港的公平競爭法,還未成雛形,沒有法例保障”公平競爭”。<br /><br />最後返到我個命題”不依遊戲規則的旅客“,這些紐紋客,明知低團費的旅行團,有個潛規則就是需要購物補數,他們有直程唔買的,就算先買了,又要退錢又有。 <br /><br />這班人明明就是來香港”撈著數“的,事件曝光後,坐在辦公室內涼冷氣的袞袞諸公,一聽到有客人投訴,就手執著”影響香港聲譽“的道德高位,有理無理都大大聲,公開鞭撻導遊”珍姐“。又唔睇下,佢地咁多年來,隻眼開隻眼閉,把香港旅遊業,因為有“回佣”呢招,攪到糜爛至此! <br /><br />好了 新鮮兄,我寫了很長,很噚,再寫長啲都有好多可以寫,還是暫時收筆! 請請!<br /><br /><br />p.s. 沒有 proofreading,若有別字和錯字,敬希各位原諒!the inner spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-74400700942168953492010-08-06T12:55:50.665+08:002010-08-06T12:55:50.665+08:00回佣可能是問題嘅精結,
依家嗰班客話係香港買嘅嘢又貴又唔抵喎,
仲話要退貨還錢,
其實好似你話齋,
...回佣可能是問題嘅精結,<br />依家嗰班客話係香港買嘅嘢又貴又唔抵喎,<br />仲話要退貨還錢,<br />其實好似你話齋,<br />點解有零、低團費呢?<br />咪就係靠佢哋買貴嘢囉,<br />黎香港一晚酒店都要幾千錢啦.<br />唔買貴嘢點補返條數呢? <br />啲團友會唔會唔知吖?<br />如果唔知就真係天真囉,<br />依家要退貨咪係攞完著數唔認數囉!<br /><br />你都講,<br />回佣問題去到好傾斜嘅地步,<br />相信有關政府一定要好好正視,<br />否則問題只會没完没了!新鮮人https://www.blogger.com/profile/02377898067921935975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-60880333030488259852010-08-01T11:33:05.288+08:002010-08-01T11:33:05.288+08:00嘿嘿大哥:Selamat datang!多謝留言!
若付出原價團費而被逼購物,當然不能接受,但短付了...嘿嘿大哥:Selamat datang!多謝留言!<br />若付出原價團費而被逼購物,當然不能接受,但短付了團費,又不依據潛規則購物,就是想佔便宜,討著數。奸導遊遇上紐紋客,兩邊都唔值得幫口。<br /><br />嘿嘿大哥我的星馬友人,舊時來港都時有投訴香港的售貨員阿姐阿妹面口衰。不過近年香港經歷過金融風暴,負通漲後,已懂得一些基本禮貌,表面上都能保持應有水準。<br /><br />星馬的 shopping malls 雨後春筍,建得美麗宏偉,空間寬敞舒適,設施齊備,貨物充足,UPdate 過香港都有很多,名牌的更是多不勝數,售貨員女的美麗好笑容,男的英俊好禮貌,服務水準早已超越香港。<br /><br />不過仍然希望你在二十多年後,再來香港旅遊購物,幫幫忙振興香港經濟。我們歡迎你!The Inner Spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-86414503236490309322010-08-01T11:09:02.848+08:002010-08-01T11:09:02.848+08:00另外 新鮮兄:珍姐“李巧珍”來港十年,應該不是新移民,做了導遊七年,不算是港人,都算是老移民。
這...另外 新鮮兄:珍姐“李巧珍”來港十年,應該不是新移民,做了導遊七年,不算是港人,都算是老移民。<br /><br />這次祇是奸導遊剛剛遇上紐紋客,大家在互搵著數發生摩擦的事件曝光了罷。事件曝光後,坐在辦公室內涼冷氣的袞袞諸公,一聽到有客人投訴,就手執著”影響香港聲譽“的道德高位,當然要講啲嘢。<br /><br />不過事件愈演愈烈,國家級的機構發出警示,特區政府不得不做啲嘢,粉飾一吓。正如謝偉俊說:若「一刀切」禁止購物團,可能會削弱本港競爭力。<br /><br />今天讀報連國家級的說法,都話很難訂定何謂成本價,團費收幾多才叫合理團費。反而提醒參團旅客,參加低團費的購物團,就要有心理準備要理行購物的潛規則。這是不想扼殺購物團的潛在需要需求,暗裡就是叫參團者,要依據遊戲規則。the inner spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-78934241781813577132010-08-01T10:49:34.272+08:002010-08-01T10:49:34.272+08:00新鮮兄:不論國內辦的境內境外旅行團,低團費零團費的根源,先是商戶為爭生意,願意給帶領團員去購物的導遊...新鮮兄:不論國內辦的境內境外旅行團,低團費零團費的根源,先是商戶為爭生意,願意給帶領團員去購物的導遊金錢回報,賺了大錢。不過羊毛出在羊身上,購物的價格已經包含導遊的一份。<br /><br />我在文內已經有提過:“旅客甚至超額購物,若整個團都是這些超額購物的旅客,旅行團及導遊真的賺到笑。”<br /><br />組團的旅行社知道,漸漸參團的客人都知道。旅行社不用發薪給導遊,因為有回佣導遊都肯做。旅行社甚至成立一條龍,自己做埋商戶出售貨物,賺到盡為止。旅行社導遊賺大錢,就吸引更多加入分一杯羹,競爭的結果是團費愈來愈低,甚至零團費,從售貨賺回成本。參團的客人也懂得找低團費零團費的團,續漸凝成不成文遊戲規則。相信兄台一早明白,我祇是噚氣多說一遍。<br /><br />至於這個商戶回佣是否先出現在中國呢,我相信都是從外國學回來,不過中國人走精便去得更盡,青出於藍勝於藍,把本來外國人固有的平衡點,拉到傾斜罷了。the inner spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-67328315215159939012010-07-29T12:16:33.439+08:002010-07-29T12:16:33.439+08:00顾客永远是对的,其实若是强迫性的购物团,我宁愿不要参加,就像进了黑店,肉在砧板上任人切割,划不来!呵...顾客永远是对的,其实若是强迫性的购物团,我宁愿不要参加,就像进了黑店,肉在砧板上任人切割,划不来!呵呵~<br /><br />香港人大部分还是很礼貌的,如果没有利益冲突的话,我曾领教过港女售货员的凶巴巴,简直像个太妹,就因她得利用这个凶势,来捍卫自己的利益,而把你压下来,结果我给“吓”跑了。哈哈哈~~~ 20多年前的事啦!嘿嘿https://www.blogger.com/profile/16445853975166319994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-2868236555929755792010-07-28T12:27:46.072+08:002010-07-28T12:27:46.072+08:00順便講講,
嗰個阿珍鄉音未改,
一睇都知係新移民,
睇佢嘅面口都知唔係善男順女,
同啲團友都係一擔擔...順便講講,<br />嗰個阿珍鄉音未改,<br />一睇都知係新移民,<br />睇佢嘅面口都知唔係善男順女,<br />同啲團友都係一擔擔咁,<br />咁次出事最受害嘅係香港嘅名聲,<br />不過話時話,<br />地道香港人嘅禮貎都麻麻,<br />五十步笑百步!新鮮人https://www.blogger.com/profile/02377898067921935975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17028869.post-72942582897869203052010-07-28T12:25:23.288+08:002010-07-28T12:25:23.288+08:00用低價錢或者零團費產生的"旅行團"根本係怪胎,
如果話外國都有,
咁究竟係外國專...用低價錢或者零團費產生的"旅行團"根本係怪胎,<br />如果話外國都有,<br />咁究竟係外國專辦中國團先有,<br />定亦或外國人(歐美)去其他地方旅遊都有咁呢?<br />如果係中國團到外國先有嘅,<br />咁中國政府和當地政府要好好檢討這個怪胎了!新鮮人https://www.blogger.com/profile/02377898067921935975noreply@blogger.com